I'm not sure how I read this, therevealer. In light of other things I've been reading about Jesus as mediator as represented by the WTS, the text above doesn't clarify things. My current understanding is that Watchtower doctrine assignes the 144,000 as mediators for the great crowd, and Jesus is the mediator for them. Which, of course, means that all of humankind with the exception of the annointed have men between them and God. I'm not a bible scholar but that sounds just a little unscriptural.
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opinions please
by therevealer inthe watchtower ?
december 15, 2010 page 20 paragraph 21. .
21 soon christ will act against satan's wicked system.
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There is just No Way that happened.... SICK SICK SICK
by letsslatejws inthere are many times when i'd think did the wbts they just make that up, so that they could print it within their article or did that happen they for real !
... well here is an example within the february 2011 awake (page 32).
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Lion Cask
Could be some folks just get uncomfortable with the subject matter? My wife and I talked to our kids about it matter-of-factly. We didn't freak them out about it like some parents do but just told them that they'd know when it was time to have sex and it was never, never with an adult unless you're an adult, too. That worked for them. Regardless, turning the discussion into a Bible story is just a little off the wall.
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Article - Blood Refusal by Pregnant Women "a 65-fold increased risk of death"
by BluesBrother inthis article gives a frank assessment of the risks, see paragraph 2 where he says that they place themselves in "exceptional jeopardy" -.
" with obstetric hemorrhage being the second-leading cause of maternal mortality in the united states, pregnant jehovah's witnesses who refuse all blood transfusion are in exceptional jeopardy, having a 65-fold increased risk of death.4 it is of paramount importance for clinicians caring for pregnant jehovah's witnesses to understand the relevant ethical and legal constructs and to be well versed in the management and alternatives available to this population.".
it is a long and technical article which, i hope, will interest those with some medical knowledge but is understandable by anybody..i was particularly interested in the sub heading "informed consent" and the third paragraph discussing the wide variety of answers given on the "health care proxies" it seems that nearly 10% would accept red blood cells, which are strictly forbidden.
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Lion Cask
Wow, designs. That is indeed a horrible experience. So tragic and so unnecessary.
It is difficult to see anything good in this bloody mess (pun intended), but the blood doctrine is potentially the Society's Achilles Heel. I had a conversation with an older Jehovah's Witness not too long ago about the changes in blood doctrine since she took the plunge, so to speak, many years ago. She was to my surprise unaware that haemoglobin is now "allowed" (actually, it is not disallowed - the weasle words of the doctrinal change allow the use of haemoglobin at the discretion of the JW according to his understanding of the Bible. It is the only thing in the Bible about which I am aware that the individual JW is allowed to interpret for himself which, in itself, should be a red flag to those who are in the Society.) and was shocked when she visited the official Watchtower website to read for herself that even haemoglobin derived from cow's blood is now "ok". (One can wonder whether that latter group comes from cows donating or cows getting slaughtered, since the blood of slaughtered animals must be spilt to the ground per the Bible.) Regardless, for the past 10 years Witnesses have had access to blood products that were inaccessible to them before. People have perished who need not have. And we still have JW kids and youth carrying suicide cards in their wallets hoping to make the next cover of Awake! featuring the pictures of the human sacrifices of the Watchtower.
The doctrinal change is defended using the absurd notion of New Light. The analogy used by the Society is that of someone leaving a darkened room into full sunlight who is temporarily blinded. God, apparently, doesn't want to expose us to too much information all at once, lest we get hurt by it. But, what about all the people who were hurt by the blood doctrine before it changed?
I have read elsewhere on this board that there is as well a group called the Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood which has members in and outside of the Society - those in the former group operating incognito. Add to those people others who want to exit but cannot because they fear being disfellowshipped and you have a significant splinter in the Society's side. I am also intrigued by reports that the number of partakers went up again this year. I believe that's 4-5? years in a row. I believe the Society is equating this phenomenon to New Light on what Generation means. Would you not think, sooner or later, the brighter people inside are going to add things up and head for the door?
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FARTING WITH FEAR NOW THE CATS OUT THE BAG !!!!!
by Hairyhegoat inbrother numtea called round today to drop of the latest cancer filled ragazines, we never know when he's going to turn up.
i was looking out the front window and spotted him walking up the drive.
then just before he pressed the door bell he about turned and sprinted back down the road, no mean feat if your an old man and there's snow and ice everywhere !!!
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Lion Cask
Congratulations! But do be civil with them when they call. Tear them apart with your knowledge, do as much damage as you can to their psyche and then send them on their way. You would be doing them a favour.
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Did Phillip fart? (or, was it the Queen?)
by Lion Cask inthe facial expressions tell it all.. (thank you, babayaga, for the tutorial).
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Hey, Juan. Lighten up, lad. Yes, the Royals thing is a bit pathetic but it's harmless. And they're great folk to poke fun at because they just maintain that stiff upper lip and soldier on. The only class act in the entire family is Elizabeth. Now she's one in a million. The others don't quite measure up to the character of the Queen.
(that expression on her face in the last photo? She saying to herself "Oh, no. Not again.")
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Did Phillip fart? (or, was it the Queen?)
by Lion Cask inthe facial expressions tell it all.. (thank you, babayaga, for the tutorial).
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Lion Cask
The facial expressions tell it all.
(Thank you, BabaYaga, for the tutorial)
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Howdy
by Big Tex ini'm feeling the need today to reconnect with old friends and maybe make new ones.
wishing everyone here a very early but very happy 2011. we all need a a little happiness.
chris.
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Lion Cask
This is a pretty cool community.
(Off topic. I've figured out the avitar thing but where do I go to learn how to do quote boxes and putting in gifs and such? I can't find the FAQs.)
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Where do I start...
by KristiKay ini stumbeled across this site after doing some research about earthquakes and "end times".
i've had a jw comming to my home for quite a while just stopping by, and she finally convinced me to agree to a "bible study".
i was intoxicated at the time i agreed and i figured it would be better to have a set time for her visits rather then her just showing up at random times.
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Lion Cask
Just be aware as soon as you use the word Cult the game is over. Branding the Watchtower Society as a cult is part of Satan's plan, you see.
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I've made the eye laser operation and I can highly recommend it!
by Newborn innow i'm free of glasses and lenses .
(i've had bad sight since i was 12).
the operation went so quick and didn't hurt at all just a bit sore after.
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Lion Cask
Lasik eye surgery has a 95% satisfaction rate. Put another way, for every 20 people who get it done, one regrets it. I'm waiting for the odds to improve before I give up my glasses.
http://www.laser-eye-surgery-statistics.com/lasik-success-rate-lasik-20-20.php
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Where do I start...
by KristiKay ini stumbeled across this site after doing some research about earthquakes and "end times".
i've had a jw comming to my home for quite a while just stopping by, and she finally convinced me to agree to a "bible study".
i was intoxicated at the time i agreed and i figured it would be better to have a set time for her visits rather then her just showing up at random times.
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Lion Cask
I get nervous for people when I hear they're talking with the Witnesses. Some of them are very good at recruitment. If you don't break it off and continue to talk with them and they think you are "a challenge" they may bring in one of their heavy hitters to get inside your head. You should not underestimate how persuasive they can be. Sounds like you've got it figured out but keep your guard up.
